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We need to stay as late as possible.

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Before we start with the presentation,

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I thank you for everybody who's organizing this room.

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So thanks to Leia, to Felix and to Thorsten and also to Sven who's helping us.

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So a round of applause on that.

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Yeah, great.

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Thanks for having us here.

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We are here to talk a little bit about the German perspective on how we currently working

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around building sovereign software for public sector.

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And I'm here with my colleague Alex.

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I'm responsible for the platform part.

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I'm part of the business where we talk a bit quite soon.

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And Alex, it was me here doing the products,

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all the products, products, and this.

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Maybe one starting point was big numbers.

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It's over there.

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So last year in Germany we spent more than one billion

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just on federal licenses for software within the German government.

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So it means there's a big question.

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This is also where we don't own, where we don't have an independent

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and sovereign solution.

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It's not innovation for society on a long term.

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So that's a point of stepping in and saying,

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okay, is there a part of this money that we could use for more sovereign

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perspective on that?

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And this is where the center of digital sovereignty came in place.

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It was founded two years ago, actually,

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but one year ago we really started stepping up.

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The idea came from government side saying five years ago,

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okay, we have the high level of dependency in the software,

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software stacks we're using at public sector.

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And we need to find a way of tackling those things.

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And the Zenis is a full state on property-owned company.

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Our function is, we just here, the Ospo term,

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being the open-source program office on one place,

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being working like an institution helping the public sector

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getting into those fields and into usage of that.

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And also being an active solution to play out,

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where we are providing things like open-desk for that administration.

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And we here's already some of our colleagues here talking about

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their President France and EU and we are kind in a close contact

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to each other and work together on those fields.

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Maybe a few words on the server entity term we work with.

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So I think one of the most important things

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is having a choice of choosing between options.

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So being not able doing that as a public sector

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is not like a big deal on negotiating and being contracts.

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So you're sitting there and saying, okay, I need that.

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Give me a price, I need to sign.

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And if you have a choice, if you have an option, you are able to go through.

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And we all know there's a lot of things to do

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to be getting back to the state where we are really able to choose between options

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and that way.

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And also for sure we need to adapt in the way.

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We need to bring our own features, our requirements into it,

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and also having a strong seat on the table,

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negotiating those things and defining how digital structure

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is defined in the common age.

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And that came to the two, one of the two main pillars we're working at the

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centers.

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The one is talking about products.

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And the other one is building a platform where distribution

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and the hospital ruling can take place for the whole public sector.

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And I will hand over to my colleague.

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Cool.

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Thanks.

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Perfect.

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We are always attached to each other just like the development circle

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so to say also in that regard.

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Yeah, open desk.

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Many of you already know of open desk,

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but we call it our office and collaborations with.

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And basically if you want to have a look at it,

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also just visit our website and get a demo,

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but also what you have is a bundle of applications in which you can have

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your day-to-day productivity, collaboration and also

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all sorts of communication, all in one.

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I think it's really important to say that.

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Open desk is something that we don't develop ourselves,

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but it's always a product which is based on a big,

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we call ourselves an open desk family,

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but but a network of partners.

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So we have a general service provider.

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We have a possibility to have a software as a service solution,

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but also we have a great network of partners.

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There was a deaf room just yesterday in the afternoon with.

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Many of the colleagues from all sorts of companies,

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some of them are here and obviously also going to maybe share and talk

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if you want to on their partnership with us and open desk.

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So it's a product which consists of many products actually.

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Yeah, I think it's really important just to,

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it's always good to give numbers in a presentation.

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So we launched in mid-October last year with our first enterprise solution.

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Ever since we had over a thousand different public institutions

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and administrations on all sorts of federal, state levels,

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but also from other countries asking us,

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giving us inquiries in regards to the usage of open desk,

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which is more than we ever hoped and expected at the beginning,

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but it's really cool and it shows that there is an urgent need

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and as of January we started also providing enterprise licenses

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to different partners, so to say,

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and we have over 40,000 active users by beginning of this month.

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So it's really cool to see that we are jumping all the time.

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We had a few thousand less which we announced in January.

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Now we are climbing a little bit, but we are going hopefully further up and up

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in that regard, so to say, and it's really important, I think,

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to show that it's not just a demo or a use case,

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which we're working on somewhere in a dark room with no window,

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but we have actually people using it and having it in their day-to-day lives.

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It's really important and that's one part of the sovereignty aspect,

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which we have is that there are different options how you can deploy it,

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sometimes especially for the non-tech world,

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so to say it's really, it sounds mind-blowing that you can have something

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not only as a software as a service solution,

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but also in a self-hosted environment nowadays.

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This is something which is really important,

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especially for institutions within the security sector,

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for example, sometimes we never talk about that,

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but there are projects with special infrastructure,

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where people are thinking about deploying open-desk.

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What we are also working on is a solution right now

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in regards to confidential cloud computing,

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because there are actually there are a few agencies,

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also in the German government, which are located mostly outside of Germany,

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so they need some sort of a secure access,

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and that's where we are with some of our partners

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looking into how we can deploy that,

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also thanks to that, because some of them are in the room.

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Next one.

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I think it's really important, and that's the topic,

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and that's where I'm going to start the story,

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so to say, of why we work on open-desk, on open-code,

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and what we call it, it's some sort of a developer experience.

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It's not the question in regards to what kind of two we want to put you get into,

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but it's the question what kind of outcome you can have

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when you use this kind of software.

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And if we go back, I don't know, who here is,

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is some sort of a public servant or in public administration?

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Okay, then the question the other way around,

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who is somewhere in the private sector?

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Cool.

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So you are the ones who I'm going to address right now.

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But basically, all of us sometimes had an idea,

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and we had an idea and we wanted to give it to somebody,

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and somebody within the public administration,

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because we say, public sector is a super cool place to host

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or to have your software in,

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and then you come to the public sector,

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and you say, I have an idea, and suddenly,

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the public sector, which is always a great sort of,

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this is some sort of a high and visual story right now,

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which you are experiencing.

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But then in the public sector, there are always restrictions, right?

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So there are restrictions in regards to security,

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procurement, we always hear that.

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There are questions in regards to quality,

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but also in regards to the support, which is being provided.

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And we always get the question on how to get in,

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and learn how can we get in.

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That's the point of taking over things.

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Yeah, so this is a part where we cannot only talk about

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the product part of this or anything,

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also we need to tackle the whole concept of access to it,

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of how to get into the tooling and the using

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and how to make it automated and really useful

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that we have stable and long-lasting tooling.

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So open code on that.

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Yeah, open code is also one of these key projects

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of the German government saying, okay, this is part.

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We use open code is an enabler for digital sovereignty

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for the whole sectors or everything around skills, services,

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and solution, which we need to strengthen those aspect.

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And for sure, this is being done with open source,

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because this is a toolkit that has helped us

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getting here very fast and much, much more

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progress on the line.

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In the beginning, and the whole start of a bit

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telling about the history of open code, which is two in a year.

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So now we've got to be in charge of sets

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since one year now with the zeniths.

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And it started as a software directory for the public sector,

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and we now discussing more and more around

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what does it mean as a platform for digital sovereignty?

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And in this, I was called the version one of open code

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when to get these more, all this question

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around the entry door, it was really important

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defining for the sector and the political aspect

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and what kind of, we need a software directory

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where we start collecting all those open source solutions

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because we realize there is a lot of this everywhere,

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also in the public sector, but we don't have any overview

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and that makes it really difficult getting into cooperation

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which is one of the key things of open source.

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So it's a big issue having a place there is important.

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So this was step one, then for sure,

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make a definition what is open source for the public sector.

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So yeah, this is not a new invention for sure.

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We used the OZ definitions, just made it

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in a more public sector, suitable effort

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and communication layer, usable for that as well.

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And then we started talking about license catalog

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because we have 13,000 public sector institutions in Germany

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when they all start getting knowledge about all the 500 different open source

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licenses out there on the country.

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It will never lead us anywhere.

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And these are these kind of questions we need to answer

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when a public sector wants to sign contracts around that.

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So we have now with open code one place

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where we legally checked over 500 open source solution

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that's all publicity on our website

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and made an allow list for the public sector saying

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when you have a component which sets open source

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and it uses license and it's good, you can go proceed

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for the next level of your contracts.

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And then sure it needs a platform collaboration.

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So any member of the public sector needs

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as a possibility collaborates there.

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And there's an unrestricted and freeway.

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And the last one is talking a lot about policy and government.

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So figuring out how can we now, when we have a place like this,

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how can we bring in the general daily processes of government.

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So this was the open code version one.

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And this is for sure this is how all the topics we are discussing here

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all about this.

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This covering and understanding open source sharing developing code

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for sure it's finding and using software.

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It's documenting and sharing all these knowledge.

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It's offering participation on forums and in our example

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we offer the discourse and where a lot of groups

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are changing their ideas and their experience

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from rebuilding community structure around that.

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And we give direct support to public sector members

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when they have questions how can I get onboard for this

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and their first steps for me to get into that.

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And for now we have around 4,500 users in Germany

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or around the projects.

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It's more than 1,000 public freeway level projects

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right now on the platform.

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Even more on the private side because sometimes needs time

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or have rather been into to work together

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and to get into using of these two links.

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And they also start now realizing,

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if I use something like a repository and like a good lab,

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there are two links like static pages.

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They make my life easier getting into website deployment

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out there.

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And this is something I don't need to have a long procurement process.

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This is two links all there.

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And we can really make things much,

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it's free in the way because it doesn't cost extra money

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and you can do it by your own.

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So it's self empowering in a broader way.

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So one of these overall layers on the platform open code

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is this being a community of many communities.

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So we don't have one community is more like we try having

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with our formats.

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We creating a zenders.

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A perspective saying we want to be having

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an overview of what kind of communities are out there

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and how can we bring them together.

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What's what's useful there,

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who needs maybe to talk to whom and to learn

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and to share experiences and stuff like that.

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We have two links which we get now out of these two

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box we have there and which we get more and more used

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by members of ministries and stuff like that.

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For example, one of this here is really interesting.

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There's a federal layer, the highest board,

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which we're just talking about.

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The architect, the IT architecture policy in Germany.

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And their process so far was sending emails

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and bringing all those answers year by year together

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and having an negotiated policy in a way.

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But for us it might be quite easy.

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OK, use the repository.

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Use it as a transparent way of organizing those content.

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And we need to get some steps,

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but then we also get a lot of possibility we never had before.

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So in this example we have a repository in the middle

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and we have a front end which makes it really easy

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comparing the different version,

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also colored layer for people who might not really

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have this one or see this on a get few.

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And on the output layer we can generate

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the next set of these versions,

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also generating accessible PDF document,

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license free or other machine-readable formats

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which might be used to connect with the next steps

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and processes we have there, but in this we accept.

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So the collaboration platform itself with this tool

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starts getting new concepts of how to use it.

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For the sector it's really big step.

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I know from many people in the room it might not be,

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but it's like a culture shift we're seeing right now

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which is I guess for everyone for us really important.

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We have a batch program.

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This is all about how can we record missophic quality.

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And currently we are on our way next month starting with the first batches

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in this case.

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When you have a repository in our software catalog,

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makes it really easy to understand,

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what can I use it?

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So there's a question in public sector.

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Yeah, this is software, but is it real?

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And can I use it and is it secure and all this stuff?

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So we think it's important that we add those extra information

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as much as we get an information on the software catalog

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and ensuring that there's a first understanding of,

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okay, it's a real thing and it's used by others.

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And it's also driven and run in operational environments

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and all this stuff.

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And maybe it's even already a bit of CV checked and all those things.

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So this is really important where you're getting open source

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and software and solutions into public sector.

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And then there's more, again,

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when it comes again to the server and it's high,

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we say, okay, this platform part,

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this has kind of a machine room in it.

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And on server and it,

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okay, when we talk about server and products like Open Desk,

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we now also need to think about how is this components

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of Open Desk, how gets they distributed?

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And what is the software development,

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the software supply chain underneath,

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that that's playing a role in that way,

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because only if we are able to look at this as well,

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we really can have and so when perspective as public sector

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means when we talk about Open Desk,

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we're talking about container technologies for sure

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and when it comes to container technologies,

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we need to raise a lot of question as actors.

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So the first one is stability in a way.

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So where is actually how reliable is these container distributed for us?

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So it's, or the question on a little bit other frame,

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what does that happen was our digital infrastructure

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when Docker happens down or has a kind of a new entry key on that.

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So I guess a lot of people in the room would stop being,

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okay, it's going to be a problem for me and maybe,

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the colleague says, well, and it's a lot of work to be done.

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So but actually the main point is we are not really

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currently prepared around situations like that

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and the problem and it might be really big success

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in the last 20 years in the digitalization,

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but we kind of proceed the next decade on that.

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Security at all on this supply chain,

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what is the chain of a way,

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this container came to me,

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can I have a look into it now, not really,

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so no chance on this way.

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And who created this container anyway?

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So I would say from the, okay, some of these containers

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we're using there just from the internet,

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so I don't know more.

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I guess on content wise,

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it has not been always a good idea,

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just taking the stuff from the internet and it's

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think we don't should do it with the core components as well.

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And then we had a lot of talks around,

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and I think there's a whole deaf room as well,

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and yesterday we really go talk about the ass bombs.

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Yeah, there's this ass bombs and it looks good,

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okay, we have a long list of things on it,

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but we are not really having the two things working with it.

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Making detection and allergies and all these stuff,

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which we need to have this as a really good tooling,

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ensuring this is proper software.

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So we are highly depending on those things,

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so we have to address this as public sector,

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meaning being an infrastructure provider by itself,

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going into this role and offering solutions on that,

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thinking about offering decentralized container,

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image supply infrastructure,

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so also there, we just tiered on the news side,

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but it means on structural infrastructure layers,

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but it also says it's really important if you want to be stable on cloud.

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There's a lot about hardening and ensuring the container safety.

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For now, we don't really have,

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there's a correct rules and criteria as negotiated,

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that makes it able to put a stamp on the container and say,

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okay, this is the rules and criteria we need in the public sector.

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It's still a lot of work to be done working on that.

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And then all these two links around as bombs and around.

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For us, at open-coded means,

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this is our next list of things we currently want to welcome,

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saying this is really what we need on this supply chain.

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And when the distribution infrastructure,

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we want to provide a secure build and development environment

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for developing those service,

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we already put in an attestation service around open-desk.

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We want to establish this registry for all these artifacts

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that we can use and also rebuild,

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so being able to really know what's in there, what we're using.

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We need to negotiate more on the criteria for this supply chain evidence

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and builds.

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And all these build up on a more decentralized distribution concept.

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Because we're not going to grab one again.

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What's our relation, so to say, to the partners,

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which we work with at open-desk,

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and what comes with contribution, so to say, in that regard.

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Feature requests we do, it's a long process of planning.

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Maybe two colleagues can raise their hands,

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run a and victor.

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If you have questions in regards to product or tech,

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these are the guys who are building open-desk.

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And everything we do, two main things I think to mention.

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First, all the contributions, which we do,

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are part of the open-desk community edition.

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We don't fund anything which is behind,

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behind some sort of a fence.

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That's one thing and the other thing is that everything that we do

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is always upstream within the products.

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So whenever there is something that we invest into one of the products,

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it always also benefits,

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or is beneficiary for the entire community.

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Next question.

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One of the.

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Could you maybe talk about your collaboration with France and the less we?

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And I also understood that the netlets are entering that collaboration, so.

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Yeah.

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We had, yeah, thanks.

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Thank you, my own card.

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The question is in regards to how we work with France and with the Netherlands.

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We had a session this morning already on that regard,

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and we will have one, the one after the panel.

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So it's in half an hour or so.

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So you can see the results of our collaboration, so to say.

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Basically, we work together on joint projects because we see that digital

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sovereignty does not end at once borders.

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And you can use the same open source tools in different products and sweet.

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Yeah.

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So the question is, if we want to do something with other countries,

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do we need an umbrella or is it grass roots?

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I think so far and it's proven as properly that grass roots is a good way to start that.

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But at some point you will need an umbrella.

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But the umbrella should not dictate because usually whenever there is an umbrella,

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someone in the grass roots or in the bottom sort of phase holding it,

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and that should be kept in motion.

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That way.

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Could you explain to your plans on the espontal chain?

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Well.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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Currently, I think I will maybe get to back to this one.

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The question was to expand on the espontal chain, which is just mentioned.

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So what else is the thing?

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We currently working on this batch program saying, OK, there is a lot of open source

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tooling around which helps us doing analysis and espont creation.

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So we use, for example, the open source as the or toolkit or or the three

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before containers scanning and all these stuff.

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We also using for a software catalog and standard, which is called public

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in the summer.

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And the ideas we need to bring the results of this running and automated as much as

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possible.

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And also scaling it up to the eggs.

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So make it possible.

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That's the reality.

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It's get aggregated to something which I really can see in the software catalog and

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giving me first impression of this.

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For example, OK, the CV is scanned and nothing found for today and for now.

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So for example.

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But I think we need to expand this quite a lot more because all around this,

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having a project like open desk with maybe thousands of entries on the espont.

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It's like it's a really huge thing getting it automated and

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and day by day generated and having good analysis on this.

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So I think there needs to be developed much more on the tool chain for now.

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OK, there's many more questions.

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Please reach out.

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But we have time for one.

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One question.

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OK, one question.

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You decide.

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I'll be there.

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I guess I want to open desk a project.

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It's only for the software.

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I always want to say something in our line of settings.

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Let's explore.

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If you have line also for the open.

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The.

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The.

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The.

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I get the idea and maybe that's a good user so the question was whether it's just the web or maybe also an operating system and let's see each other next year.

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And then we will talk about that.

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And.

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Before we go before we go before we go we go we do something really German

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And it's called store's lifting.

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Please open the door and open the windows and you will see each other on we see each other in the next panel. Thank you guys